Muon Optimizer Performance Reassessed on Matrix Factorization Tasks

Ali Parviz, Gal Mishne, Alex Cloninger· July 16, 2026 View original

Summary

This study re-evaluates the Muon optimizer, previously lauded for large-scale deep learning, by testing it on low-rank matrix factorization. It finds that Muon does not consistently outperform AdamW in this simpler setting and that its reported advantages are sensitive to hyperparameter choices.

The Muon optimizer has recently gained attention for its strong performance in large-scale deep learning, particularly in training large language models, where it reportedly surpasses Adam and AdamW. Its success has spurred theoretical work interpreting it as steepest descent under the spectral norm. However, it has been unclear whether Muon's benefits stem from its core update rule or are artifacts of the specific scale, architecture, and data found in modern deep networks. This research aims to isolate the optimizer's performance by applying Muon to a simpler, well-understood problem: low-rank matrix factorization. This controlled environment allows for a direct comparison against carefully tuned adaptive baselines, such as AdamW, without the confounding factors of complex deep learning setups. The findings indicate that Muon does not consistently outperform AdamW in this matrix factorization context. Furthermore, several advantages previously attributed to Muon are shown to be highly sensitive to the chosen hyperparameters. This study provides a more nuanced understanding of when spectrum-aware orthogonalization, a key feature of Muon, genuinely offers advantages, advocating for evaluating optimizers on controlled problems in addition to large-scale benchmarks.

Why it matters

For AI engineers and researchers, this study provides critical insights into the actual benefits and limitations of advanced optimizers like Muon, helping them make more informed decisions about optimizer selection and hyperparameter tuning for various machine learning tasks.

How to implement this in your domain

  1. 1Question assumptions about optimizer superiority based solely on large-scale deep learning benchmarks.
  2. 2Conduct controlled experiments with different optimizers on simpler, well-understood problems relevant to specific use cases.
  3. 3Perform thorough hyperparameter tuning for all optimizers, including baselines, to ensure fair comparisons.
  4. 4Analyze optimizer performance across various problem types to understand their specific strengths and weaknesses.
  5. 5Document and share findings internally to inform best practices for model training.

Who benefits

AI ResearchSoftware DevelopmentData ScienceMachine Learning Engineering

Key takeaways

  • Muon's advantages may be context-dependent, not universal.
  • It doesn't consistently outperform AdamW in matrix factorization.
  • Optimizer performance is highly sensitive to hyperparameter tuning.
  • Controlled problem evaluation is crucial for understanding optimizers.

Original post by Ali Parviz, Gal Mishne, Alex Cloninger

"arXiv:2607.13246v1 Announce Type: new Abstract: Muon has recently emerged as a strong optimizer for large-scale deep learning, where it reshapes gradient updates through approximate orthogonalization and has been reported to outperform Adam and AdamW in large language model train…"

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