New Muon-Style Optimizers Improve Deep Learning Training Stability

Da Chang, Qiankun Shi, Lvgang Zhang, Di He, Yaoshuai Ma, Ganzhao Yuan, Yongxiang Liu· July 17, 2026 View original

Summary

This research introduces Muse, a family of Muon-style optimizers that enhance training stability and performance across various parameter representations in deep learning models. It explores how different matrix representations influence optimizer geometry and convergence, showing that balanced non-native representations can match or exceed native performance.

This paper delves into the geometric properties of Muon-style optimizers, which are crucial for training large deep learning models. It highlights that beyond the standard momentum rules, the way parameters are represented before orthogonalization significantly impacts the optimizer's behavior. The authors propose Muse, a new family of optimizers that maintains consistent momentum and backend operations across different parameter representations, including native, nearest-square, skinny, and vector forms. The study reveals that each representation creates a unique "steepest-descent" geometry, affecting how singular channels are supported, scaling, and convergence bounds in stochastic nonconvex settings. Experiments with large language models like LLaMA2-130M and LLaMA2-600M demonstrate that carefully chosen non-native representations can achieve performance comparable to or better than native representations. Conversely, reducing the shorter matrix dimension can weaken scaling and singular channel support, making the optimizer behave more like simpler normalized momentum methods.

Why it matters

Professionals working with large-scale deep learning models can leverage these insights to select or design more effective optimizers, potentially leading to faster training, better convergence, and improved model performance. Understanding optimizer geometry can help mitigate issues like vanishing/exploding gradients.

How to implement this in your domain

  1. 1Evaluate existing optimizer choices for large language models, considering their underlying parameter representations.
  2. 2Experiment with different parameter representations (e.g., non-native, balanced) in Muon-style optimizers to observe performance impacts.
  3. 3Integrate the Muse framework or similar geometric principles into custom optimizer development for specific model architectures.
  4. 4Monitor convergence metrics and gradient behavior when adjusting representation choices to identify optimal configurations.

Who benefits

AI/ML DevelopmentCloud ComputingResearch & DevelopmentHigh-Performance Computing

Key takeaways

  • The geometric representation of parameters significantly impacts deep learning optimizer performance.
  • Muse optimizers offer a unified framework for exploring different parameter representations.
  • Balanced non-native representations can achieve strong performance in large language models.
  • Understanding optimizer geometry is crucial for stable and efficient training of complex AI models.

Original post by Da Chang, Qiankun Shi, Lvgang Zhang, Di He, Yaoshuai Ma, Ganzhao Yuan, Yongxiang Liu

"arXiv:2607.14536v1 Announce Type: new Abstract: Muon-style optimizers apply a polar map to matrix momentum, but their updates also depend on the representation of each parameter block before orthogonalization. We study this representation choice as a form of optimizer geometry an…"

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