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The Evolution of the Interview
Since its invention over 130 years ago, the interview has become an essential tool in modern journalism, serving as a primary source of information about public figures.
The interview is a commonplace of journalism that almost every literate person has encountered. While thousands of celebrities have been interviewed, opinions on the practice vary significantly. Some view it as a high art form and a source of truth, while others see it as a predatory intrusion into their personal lives.
The text notes that the interviewer holds a position of 'unprecedented power and influence' because almost everything of importance reaches the public through one person asking questions of another. This creates a dynamic where the interviewer shapes the public's vivid impressions of their contemporaries.
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Celebrity Resistance to Interviews
Many famous writers and thinkers have expressed strong negative feelings toward being interviewed, often viewing it as a form of personal violation.
V. S. Naipaul believes that interviews can 'wound' people, causing them to lose a part of themselves. Lewis Carroll, the author of Alice in Wonderland, had a 'just horror of the interviewer' and never consented to be interviewed. It was his horror of being 'lionized' which made him repel would-be acquaintances, interviewers, and persistent petitioners for his autograph.
Rudyard Kipling held an even more extreme view, calling the interview 'immoral,' a 'crime,' and an 'assault' comparable to a physical offense. The text notes the irony that Kipling himself had perpetrated such an 'assault' on Mark Twain only a few years before making these condemnatory remarks. Other authors like Saul Bellow described the experience as feeling like 'thumbprints on his windpipe,' suggesting a sense of suffocation or loss of control.
| Author | View on Interviews |
|---|---|
| V. S. Naipaul | Believes people are wounded and lose part of themselves. |
| Lewis Carroll | Had a 'just horror' of the interviewer; feared being lionized. |
| Rudyard Kipling | Considered it a crime, immoral, and an assault. |
| Saul Bellow | Described it as thumbprints on his windpipe. |
| H. G. Wells | Referred to it as an 'ordeal' but was a frequent participant. |
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Umberto Eco: A Multi-faceted Intellectual
The second part of the chapter features an interview with Umberto Eco, a professor at the University of Bologna who achieved 'intellectual superstardom.'
Umberto Eco was already a formidable scholar in the fields of semiotics (the study of signs), literary interpretation, and medieval aesthetics before he became a world-famous novelist. His written output is vast, covering academic texts, essays, children's books, and newspaper articles.
Despite his fame as the author of 'The Name of the Rose,' Eco identifies himself primarily as an academic. He famously states, 'I am a professor who writes novels on Sundays,' emphasizing that he participates in academic conferences rather than writers' clubs.
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The Secret of Interstices
Eco explains his incredible productivity through a philosophical concept he calls 'interstices' or empty spaces.
Eco uses the analogy of the universe to explain his work habit. He suggests that if you eliminate the empty spaces from atoms, the entire universe would shrink to the size of a fist. He applies this logic to his own life, identifying the 'empty spaces' in time as opportunities for work.
He provides the example of waiting for an elevator. While waiting for an elevator to come up from the first to the third floor, he uses that 'interstice' to write an article. This narrative approach to time allows him to produce a staggering amount of work across various genres.
Eco's Concept of Working in Interstices
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Identify Empty Space
Recognizing 'interstices' like waiting for an elevator or a guest.
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Eliminate Waste
Refusing to let small gaps of time pass without purpose.
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Productive Action
Using the gap to write a paragraph or an article.
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Cumulative Output
The result is a massive body of work (over 40 non-fiction books).
This sequence illustrates how Umberto Eco utilizes small gaps in daily life to maintain his high level of literary and academic productivity.
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A Narrative Approach to Scholarship
Eco's academic writing is unique because it departs from the traditionally 'dry and boring' style of scholarly work.
Eco's scholarly essays have a 'playful and personal quality.' He traces this back to his doctoral dissertation, where he decided to tell the 'story' of his research, including his trials and errors, rather than just presenting a list of hypotheses and conclusions.
This narrative aspect is what eventually led him to write novels. He started writing fiction 'by accident' at the age of 50, finding that novels satisfied his taste for narration in a way that academic essays alone could not.
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The Mystery of Success
Eco discusses the unexpected mass appeal of his serious, complex novel, 'The Name of the Rose.'
The Name of the Rose is a 'serious' novel that functions as a detective story while exploring metaphysics, theology, and medieval history. Despite its complexity, it sold between 10 and 15 million copies globally, including two to three million copies in the U.S.
Eco believes that journalists and publishers often underestimate the public, wrongly assuming that people only want 'trash' or easy reading. His American publisher, for instance, loved the book but did not expect to sell more than 3,000 copies in a country where people hadn't seen cathedrals or studied Latin.
Ultimately, Eco considers the timing of the book's success a 'mystery.' He notes that if it had been published ten years earlier or later, it might not have resonated the same way with the global audience.
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Grammar in Context: Linkers and Signallers
The interview format relies heavily on specific linguistic tools to maintain flow and coherence between the speaker and the listener.
Linkers are words or phrases used to connect ideas. In the interview, Mukund and Eco use reference pronouns like 'that,' 'this,' and 'which' to link their statements to what was previously said. For example, when Mukund asks 'Which is?' he is linking back to Eco's mention of 'doing the same thing.'
Signallers are phrases that indicate a shift in the topic, preparing the listener for a new direction. Examples include 'Which brings me to my next question' or 'But let me tell you another story.' These tools ensure that the conversation remains smooth and structured rather than a series of disconnected remarks.
Identifying a Signaller
Mukund: 'Which brings me to my next question...'
This phrase acts as a signaller, notifying the interviewee and the reader that the topic is transitioning from Eco's academic identity to the specific success of his novel.
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Writing Task: From Dialogue to Report
A key skill in journalism is the ability to transform a verbatim interview into a concise, informative report.
When writing a report based on an interview, one must identify the 'salient points'—the most important and relevant information shared by the subject. This involves moving from the first-person dialogue ('I think...') to a third-person summary ('Eco stated that...').
The report should maintain the essence of the subject's views while omitting conversational fillers or repetitive elements. It requires a clear understanding of the subject's core arguments, such as Eco's views on 'interstices' and his self-identification as an academic.
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Identify the main themes discussed (e.g., Eco's work habits, his novel's success).
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Select specific quotes or anecdotes that illustrate these themes (e.g., the elevator example).
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Paraphrase the dialogue into formal, third-person prose.
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Organize the points logically, using linkers to connect the different sections of the report.
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Check for accuracy to ensure the subject's original meaning is preserved.
A structured report that provides a clear overview of the interviewee's personality and professional philosophy.
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