Orthogonalization Drives Muon Optimizer's Grokking Speed

Yufeng Wang· July 24, 2026 View original

Summary

Research identifies that the orthogonalization component, specifically the Newton-Schulz iteration, is the key mechanism accelerating the Muon optimizer's ability to reach the grokking threshold faster than AdamW. Spectral-norm constraints alone do not provide this speedup.

This new study investigates the Muon optimizer's ability to achieve "grokking" – a phenomenon where a model generalizes to unseen data long after overfitting to training data – faster than traditional optimizers like AdamW. Previous work attributed this speedup to a combination of spectral-norm constraints and orthogonalized momentum. This research isolates the specific mechanism responsible for the accelerated grokking. Through extensive ablation studies and multi-seed, multi-learning-rate sweeps, the findings clearly indicate that the speedup primarily stems from the orthogonalization component, implemented via the Newton-Schulz iteration. Optimizers that only apply orthogonalization match the performance of the full Muon optimizer, whereas those relying solely on spectral-norm constraints show no significant improvement over AdamW and are less reliable. Mechanistic analysis further reveals that orthogonalizing optimizers achieve generalization at significantly lower spectral norms. The study also explores the impact of the number of Newton-Schulz iterations, finding that fewer iterations can accelerate reaching the grokking threshold but may lead to a more fragile solution, especially at higher learning rates. The canonical five iterations offer a more robust and learning-rate-stable choice. The researchers also suggest that spectral scaling can be omitted without performance cost. The paper emphasizes the importance of stability-aware metrics for evaluating optimizer speed claims and provides code for reproducibility.

Why it matters

Understanding the core mechanisms behind advanced optimizers like Muon can help AI engineers and researchers develop more efficient and stable training strategies, potentially reducing training times and improving model generalization.

How to implement this in your domain

  1. 1Experiment with orthogonalization techniques in custom optimizers to accelerate model grokking and generalization.
  2. 2Evaluate the impact of Newton-Schulz iteration counts on training stability and speed for specific tasks.
  3. 3Consider dropping spectral scaling in Muon-like optimizers if performance is not negatively impacted.
  4. 4Adopt stability-aware metrics for evaluating optimizer performance, especially when comparing "faster" claims.

Who benefits

AI ResearchMachine Learning EngineeringDeep Learning Development

Key takeaways

  • Orthogonalization, specifically the Newton-Schulz iteration, is the primary driver of Muon's faster grokking.
  • Spectral-norm constraints alone do not provide the same speedup or reliability.
  • Fewer orthogonalization iterations can speed up grokking but may lead to fragility; five iterations offer robustness.
  • Evaluating optimizers requires stability-aware metrics to accurately assess performance.

Original post by Yufeng Wang

"arXiv:2607.20512v1 Announce Type: new Abstract: The Muon optimizer reaches the grokking threshold on modular arithmetic faster than AdamW. Prior work attributes this to "spectral-norm constraints plus orthogonalized momentum" but does not isolate which mechanism matters. To bette…"

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